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Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.17 22:42:00 - [1] Originally by: Miss Fiona DO NOT INVEST THIS IS A SCAM Starscream you idiot, just because no one bought into your scam isn't reason to make a spectacle of yourself by shouting scam in the legitimate threads. A fire. Go die in one.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.18 09:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Han BlackNova Thanks very much for your quick response. Also thanks for putting up with my Noob status Id like to Invest 100 mill ISK as soon as the next shares become available. If its possible i would like to reserve them now. If not then ill buy them when they come online. Could you please post the wallet details that i need to pay ISK into and i would be happy to pre pay 100mill in the next few days. If you would rather wait then thats cool to. Just don't want to miss out as it seem like shares go quick I don't believe he takes reservations. If I remember it's on a first come, first served basis when he releases the next batch.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 23/10/2007 11:15:48 Originally by: jongalt im sure you are EULA compliant to the letter. however, i wonder if the spirit of the game is compromised. (perhaps that is only my loss.) -jg. Personally I think it's plenty within the spirit of the game. EVE is the most open game I've ever played. Pretty much anything goes here, and if you have the imagination to think it up and the means to pull it off, you can do whatever you want, so long as it's within the terms of the EULA, which this indeed is. EVE is a game that rewards creativity.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:14:00 - [4] The datacore producing characters will not be sold. If you know anything about the sale of characters, then you'd know that the seller has to pay a $20 fee per character. At a potential 144 characters, that's potentially $2,880 in fees for them all. No amount of ISK generated is worth that kind of price. I don't know why people keep suggesting that he's going to make boatloads of ISK when it's all done by selling the characters off.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 25/10/2007 12:02:20 I like the business plan very much. I am fairly new to the IPO business but this is the one I have had my eye on since you announced it. Unfortuatly at the moment I cannot afford to invest, but in future releases I will be able to fork out for shares. Good luck with the idea - I suppose you must run an Internet Cafe or something in RL to have so many spare PC's running clients in your gang For buying the shares though will you be using a third party to hold isk? It's nothing personal but until I have done a transaction or two smoothly with a person I err on the side of caution While I doubt he'd have a problem with using a trusted third part to handle the transfer, the problem lies in the timing of it. I suspect there's going to be a mad dash for his next batch of shares, which he's giving out in order of transactions received to his wallet, and he doesn't accept reservations on shares. Diverting from that stated method on handing out shares by making an exception opens up other people saying "why what can't I have x exception, too?" But I of course don't speak for him, and he can do what he wants. For what it's worth, I bought 5000 shares (520m or so worth) from his first released batch, and didn't have a problem in receiving them.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 04:49:00 - [6] An interesting way of doing it, leaving it up to personal evaluation on how early they're willing to jump on the boat, rather than a mad dash within 40 seconds of a certain time. I like the idea.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Atherin Gaius Originally by: Matalino This secondary effect is too complex for me to work out in great detail to figure out exactly how much it can be worth paying for a share. but basicly the higher Datacore prices remain, the more each share is worth. Well that is convienent...you can't tell someone how much to expect in profit. I think you are playing too many games to get people to invest. Of course the more complex and complicated you make it to know the expected return, the easier for you to scam your investors.... Will be interesting to see who makes the first OP about not getting a dividend next spring.... If you don't like it, then don't invest. I believe that there will be plenty of others who will be more than happy to have more shares. Just because you can't understand something, doesn't mean it's being intentionally made to complicated in an attempt to scam the EVE community. I myself much doubt that it's a scam, I've invested over half a billion ISK into it and contemplating more, though probably by the time I get over whether or not I want to it will be all sold out, but that's ok too. And to be honest, if it did end up being a scam, I'd say he's put in the work and effort to effectively engineer a scam based on a really good legitimate plan, so I'd feel like he earned it, no hards about it. You being simple does not = something a scam.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:08:00 - [8] Dunno how you're going to manage to get all those standings without going insane. I've been going nuts just trying to get standings up for 2 alts. That's commitment to do it with all those characters. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Dunno how you're going to manage to get all those standings without going insane. I've been going nuts just trying to get standings up for 2 alts. That's commitment to do it with all those characters. That is why I think that this IPO will be such a success. Nobody else is willing to put in the effort to get the standings needed. By the time enough people have ramped up the standings to compete with me, I hope to have repaid my investors. And the reason I'm thinking of investing more. ;) _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.30 21:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Raskor Am I the only one here that feels this should have been disclosed to prospective investors at the time of the latest sale? I can understand you not being able to disclose the details, but this was a definite risk and should have been communicated as such. I can't believe everyone is quite so optimistic that the GM's will always do the right thing when an issue occurs. If I'm reading right then it's an issue that's happened a couple times before and CCP has always been quick on the draw to fix it, except this time quite a while has passed and now they're being less than helpful. If it's something that's historically been fixed quickly without issue then there's no reason to get everyone worked up over and potentially lose investors and therefor ISK to get more characters up and running, and slowing down profitability for existing investors. However, now that there's potentially billions lost if this issue isn't resolved, he's done the right thing by communicating with investors and telling what's happened, where things are at now, and an idea when we can be expected to know either all the details about what's occoured, or that the issue has been resolved. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 12:00:00 - [11] Hasn't even been a week yet since he announced the problem. Give it a little more time. He said a week or two. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:09:00 - [12] That's about missions. I don't know if the problem is mission related. I wouldn't think that if it were just related to a mission it would be such a big deal, especially since I doubt he's flying 144 characters all over the place daily to do the agent mission. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:21:00 - [13] I suppose it's entirely possible then if he has the time or the desire to do that. It would be optimal for profits. If he is running missions on all of them then I'm wow'd... I couldn't see myself doing that. Of course I'm lazy, though. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 02:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Treelox Well i assume he has to run missions with them sometime, to get their standings up the point they can employ the RnD agents in the first place. Then again I haven't paid too much attention to this plan, since it was not something I was intrested in investing from its onset. It had nothing to do with trust or anything sinister of the sort, just wasnt something I felt comfortable in investing in. I was refering to the optional R&D missions that characters can run once a day that double their RP gains for that day, not the regular agent missions that were of course necessary for standings. And I do have to say I'm impressed with Matalino. I had enough of an excruciating time doing it for two characters. I can't imagine doing it for 144. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:46:00 - [15] Sounds like he is, yes. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:14:00 - [16] This was expected to be a longish term investment anyway so there's no reason not to have patience. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.19 22:31:00 - [17] I think it depends. If everything gets resolved and it doesn't have an impact on the profits, then there's no need to discuss the issue and people will just have to deal with their own curiousity. If it has effected profits negatively even after the resolution then we do deserve to know the why and hows I believe. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Matalino Originally by: Rasta Farian After all this incidents on all this metagaming are you still having fun playing EVE Metalino? Honestly, not really, but the same thing that keeps me from disclosing the details of this bug keeps me playing. I made a promise to see this thing through, and I intend to keep my promises. Now if investors want me to start breaking promises, I see no reason to stop at breaking the one made to the GM's. So, to clarify, you won't release details of this bug, because if you did, you'd then scam for all the isk invested in you? Spectacular. You're being conniving, self-important, self-righteous, imperious, stupid, and/or crazy by withholding this information right now. If I were you, I'd choose pretty quickly which ones of those, if any, I'd prefer to be seen as. MP Don't think I've seen spin like that outside the IGS in some time. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Motivated Prophet As such, if you can read Matalino's quoted text, above, as anything but a threat to run off with all the isk, please help me understand it in that context and I will settle down. He meant it that he's going to stay good on his word to everyone, the lead GM that he's spoken to about it, and not reveal every little detail about a resolved issue, and to investors that he's not going to run off with a hefty sum of ISK. A person in something like this is only as good as their word until all the ISK is back in the investors hands at the completetion of a venture. If he breaks one word, what's to stop him there? That's the point he was trying to make. By staying true to what he says to everyone, he's showing that he's a trustworty person to the extent that he can be all around. Given that there's pressure from people to expose everything, and he's not buckling under the pressure and instead staying cool and in sight of his goals, and keeping good on what he says, that in fact puts a good amount of confidence in him in my book. After all, how many of these things went scam because they "couldn't handle the pressure or criticism" and decided to just do a runner? Ok, there was a bug on certain character creation, it's been resolved... it's been explained in satisfactory detail to me. If anyone wants more info on the exact specifics they can probably find out if they do a little research. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.

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